My reply to @khrom, and his views on manipulation

in blurtnews •  last year 

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_...the underlying perspective of the bad manipulator, who's been shown up for what they are, by those using the truth...'

If you want to read my original post to which he relied to, it's here:
https://blurtlatam.intinte.org/blurtnews/@lucylin/the-stunning-beauty-of-manipulation-the-mind-map-it-s-all-about-intent

...AND THANKS IN ADVANCE, MATEY _ FOR THE QUALITY COMMENT !
(a rare event on blurt, nowadays)...

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well in my opinion there is no such thing as good manipulation because no one is god. And because no one is a god,

There is always manipulation in some form or another.
It's impossible for there not to be, if there is any social interaction.
Ergo, you are merely being human, and not playing god.

even if you believe that what you are doing is good, you never know if it can be so.

...which is why it's imperative to try and have some sense of self awareness. No self awarenss make it impossible to know one way or another.
Total self awareness (if that's possible) would lead to a full understanding of your intent behind the manipulations....(good or bad).

Example with vegetables; perhaps it is the fact that you press your child to eat them that will alienate him and switch to a McDonald's diet in adulthood, which will lead to premature death or health problems.

This is not a fact, and studies shown that infants to adolescents ages - that have been given high quality foods, tend to gravitate back to - or maintian that - throughout adulthood. (sometimes after rebellious streak of 'doing mddee's').
So leaving aside the example....
You cannot know the consequence of ANY action - only the intent behind the action ...We are not god.
(-with_ self awareness).

due to the fact that there is bad manipulation, it is difficult to be a "good" manipulator because we never know whether we ourselves have not fallen victim to manipulation in this matter to which we want to manipulate them for the "good of people".

Indeed, this true.
what we CAN know, is the pursuit of knowing oneself - and whether we are actively perusing that goal
Knowing oneself, is the basis for NOT being manipulated - or, rather, in ways that do not align with your own values.

A good example was the past plandemic and hosts of people crosses blindly trusting that they are doing good, chased in masks and oppressed those who do not want to be vaccinated.

This is an example of one set of people being manipulated by bad actors. (see my definition of control and bad manipulators).
The fact that the 'victims of the manipulation' then went onto to enable the bad intent from the original manipulators, and just goes to show how damaging it can be - i.e - the ripple effect.

However, manipulation is there and we cannot avoid it.

Exactly. Which also makes you opening statement redundant, regarding god .(just pointing it out for you)

Moreover, it is sometimes needed by some people. But only highly aware people can reach for it without the risk of harming others.

Needed or not - it doesn't change the reality that it is part of everyone's life - the trick is using it for good purposes, which can only stem from good intent...(even if the optics say otherwise).
....Which can only come, with any degree of certainty - with a certain amount of self awareness.

Even highly aware people can run the risk of getting it wrong - but the risks are minimized with each 'level' of self awareness that is achieved.

It is part of human nature and denying it is worse than knowingly manipulating it for someone's "good".

100% correct.
That's why the control freaks want to put 'manipulation' in a bad light.
It gives them a shield to hide behind, and by accusing those with good intent manipulation - of being 'muh manipulative' , it dilutes their own toxic position.

...Quite a clever trick really.
....until it's exposed for what it is ! ('thems me specialties' - if you hadn't noticed ! ..lolol)

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finaly i find some time to answer 🙂

ok so maybe argument with vegetables was weak but you just know what i mean. It is simply difficult to predict the consequences of your manipulations without knowing all the factors, and we rarely know them.

For the rest we basically look at the matter quite similarly so there's really not much else to add here. however, why does using the word manipulation as "good" bother me a bit here? it is about the fact that any manipulation is a form of external interference in someone's fate without their consent and to achieve some own benefit, and as such it is difficult to perceive it positively.

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....it's a fascinating dynamic to watch it play out in real time, and a privilege to partake in.
Pushing the buttons of automatons is quite fun, if you choose not to see them fully functioning, self sovereign, cognitive beings...(and there seems to be mounting evidence to suggest that they are non of these things).

I must say though, the Orcs in this particular farmyard are nothing like as intelligent as I gave them credit for - my bad!
(..it's both disappointing, and very positive - both at the same time).


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The topic manipulation is a hard one for me ,.. in my nature i know wrong from right , but have a hard time putting it in to words or communicate my thoughts on your posts on this topic .
I must manipulate at times to ,. for i ain't not a saint nor a god . ( not yet )
I might even not be that intelligent at all to be in your comments section giving reply's .
But thanks for making my grey mass flex and work a bit .

I just know , if i want my freedom of choice , ill have to give/respect everyone's freedom of choice . so manipulation i try to avoid , good or bad , as i can only lead one to freedom true love care and advise , for a free soul is free of manipulation by others , free to choose the way they want to go .

I don't want to rule anyone , and for all not the world .
Even God does not rule the world true manipulations .
For God gave us freedom of choice and will .
And left right after to let us figure it out ourselves .

Da Ni El .

( don't tell anyone ,but .. i am god ,.. enjoying a simple and humble human life )

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